Author: Ralph E. Kenyon, Jr. (diogenes) Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 07:44 am |
For a survey of what scientists are interested in with respect to their "art", read survey literature in the Philosophy of Science. |
Author: Ralph E. Kenyon, Jr. (diogenes) Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 12:49 pm |
A major difference, it seem to me, is that scientists use prediction and corroboration to check out their model creations, discarding the models when the predictions fail. "Artists" on the other hand seem to have a much looser mapping from any "inspiration" territory to their creations, and their creations don't get discarded because a prediction fails. Artists models don't make predictions, most of the time. The artist may "predict" that "this model" will "go over" with people, but the model itself does not contain predictions. Artists creations are rarely willingly disposed of by the creator because a single prediction failure occurs. Science keeps only the latest models active. Artists accumulate past models - often they are more revered than current ones. |
Author: Ralph E. Kenyon, Jr. (diogenes) Friday, August 4, 2006 - 10:10 pm |
I consider myself much more a scientist than an artist, but I don't react to high tension wires that way. I wonder if or when we'll find a better way to transmit power. Often, I see the graceful form in the structure of the towers and the catenary of the lines. I see where the engineers have designed a modicum of aesthetics into the towers, the method of suspension, etc. Good engineering has its own aesthetics. I think propagating simplistic stereotypical judgements as to what "scientist" or "artists" see and to judge the presence of technological artifacts as somehow automatically detracting from the scene, very presumptuous as to what values to choose. |
Author: Ralph E. Kenyon, Jr. (diogenes) Thursday, August 10, 2006 - 12:19 am |
I think the view presented is stereotypical and pejorative. |
Author: Ralph E. Kenyon, Jr. (diogenes) Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 11:07 am |
We don't have a "scientific" brain and an "artistic" brain, in spite of the fact that we are trained by the environment. Science intuition involves emotion, although many would deny that. At the core of learning is the positive reward that is experienced as emotional pleasure. It can come in a flash, as in the "ah ha!" experience, or it can be the immense satisfaction for finally completing a difficult proof. Knowing we "got it right" is inextricably bound up in the Hedonic Response in Problem Solving. Also see Jeff Hawkins On Intelligence. |
Author: Ralph E. Kenyon, Jr. (diogenes) Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 07:04 pm |
Universal? Now that's a mighty big "all". |
Author: Ralph E. Kenyon, Jr. (diogenes) Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 10:09 am |
Milton wrote Science -- A human activity that strives to create maps that structurally most accurately represent territories mapped. |
Author: Ralph E. Kenyon, Jr. (diogenes) Sunday, July 15, 2007 - 10:57 am |
Darren, I would say that your "universal" "ART" is limited to certain human cultures. There is no way to prove your claim for all human cultures, and no way to prove it for non-human cultures. So the hyperbole you express with the term 'universal' does not represent a scientific (testable) hypothesis. It seems to be the kind of "allness" claim that general semantics eschews. We would have to ask you to describe, at lower levels of abstraction, what you mean by "universal", "art", and "archtypes". See Lakeoff, "Metaphors we live by" and "Philosophy in the Flesh" for some additional perspective. |